Cambio Scheda video MacPro 5.1 Mid 2010

[Davide Ciocca]

Buongiorno a tutti,

come da titolo mi trovo a dover cambiare la scheda video una Ati Radeon HD 5770 montata sul mio Mac Pro Mid 2010.

Vi descrivo cosa è successo. Mentre era acceso improvvisamente mi sono trovato lo schermo completamente bianco, ho spento e riacceso e mi sono comparse righe verticali verdi\grigie\bianche\rosse e leggendo mi sembra di aver capito che si tratta di problemi con la scheda video.

Lo so che il Mac è ormai datato ma per l'utilizzo che ne faccio è sempre una super macchina e vorrei ripristinarlo senza spendere troppi soldi.

Pensavo di comprare o la stessa scheda Ati Radeon HD 5770 oppure una Ati Radeon HD 5870.

Cosa ne pensate?

Avete consigli su dove trovare questi pezzi di ricambio?

Avete soluzioni alternative da propormi?

 

Grazie mille a tutti.

 

Davide

[@Maurizio]

Nuove non le trovi, semmai usate su Ebay.

 

In alternative ci sono schede più recenti, nuove, flashate per Mac, ma i costi salgono.

[Davide Ciocca]

Grazie mille per la risposta.

Scusa come capisco se la scheda è flashata?

Eventualmente è complicato flashare una scheda non nativa per Mac perchè ho trovato una Ati Radeon HD 5870 montata su pc a prezzo stracciato.

Grazie

[@Maurizio]

La HD 5870 penso venga riconosciuta senza problemi.

[Batrax]

Senza flasharla, perdi la schermata d'avvio, in pratica vedrai qualcosa solo quando arriva alla schermata di login.

Non un grande problema, a meno che tu non abbia una partizione BootCamp o altro da selezionare all'avvio.

 

Se ti interessa ho una Radeon HD 5870 Mac Edition che ho sostituito da poco con una Nvidia.

 

Il tuo MacPro sarà datato, ma io sto ancora usando con soddisfazione un MacPro del 2009, che ha 11 anni esatti, e lo uso ancora per farci di tutto: grafica, qualche sito web, montaggio video (addirittura su macchina windows virtualizzata); sono macchine molto longeve e con qualche aggiornamento mirato negli anni durano molto di più di un portatile.

 

 

[Davide Ciocca]

Grazie mille per le risposte. Gentilissimi.

 

@Maurizio Quindi una HD 5870 viene riconosciuta senza problemi indipendentemente che sia stata tolta da un PC e non da un Mac?

 

Batrax Non mi lamento affatto del mio Mac è ancora una macchina che sa il fatto suo 😀.

Se senza flashare la scheda l'unico inconveniente sarebbe quello di non vedere il logo in fase d'avvio non sarebbe un grosso problema. Importante che montando una scheda proveniente da un sistema Windows questa venga riconosciuta senza dover fare operazioni particolari.

Ti ho inviato un MP per avere info sulla tua scheda video.

 

 

Grazie ancora .

 

 

 

 

 

Modificato 24 Marzo 2020 da Davide Ciocca

[Batrax]

Ti ho risposto in MP,

 

"in teoria" una scheda per Windows dovrebbe funzionare (senza schermata di boot), ma la certezza ce l'avrai solo dopo montata; io adesso ho una Nvidia GeForce GTX680 per windows, ma è stata flashata per renderla compatibile al 100% (non l'ho fatto io, ma il precedente proprietario).

 

 

[gatto]

scusate se riapro la discussione, ma mi ritrovo con lo stesso problema di sostituzione scheda e volevo chiedervi ad oggi quale sia la migliore gpu con metal per sostituire la ati 5770 e permettermi di passare da os 10.13.16 a qualcosa di piu aggiornato

ero rimasto alla rx580 da 8gb ma non vorrei che qualche scheda meno data sia fattibile altrettanto

 

grazie mille ragazzi

Modificato 14 Ottobre 2021 da gatto

[@Maurizio]

Sapphire Radeon RX560/4GB

[gatto]

grazie @maurizio,

ma la rx560 è inferiore come qualità/prestazioni ?  

ci sono modelli superiori alla rx580 8gb che si può installare sul macpro 5.1 ?

 

Modificato 15 Ottobre 2021 da gatto

[bros720]

Senza dilungarmi in  inutili sproloqui, metto qui nel modo più semplice la "summa" delle schede video per MAC Pro >1gb. Sintetizza come meglio non si potrebbe fare le varie opzioni. E' aggiornato fino al 2019, ma utilissimo.

La performance è in base 100% per la Radeon HD 7970 o la R9 280 X da 3gb.

Di massima , comunque, le AMD / ATI sono più compatibili con le ultime versioni di MacOS e le NVIDIA sono più performanti

 

ATI Radeon HD 4870 1 GB

Performance: 48% RPI. Significantly faster than Nvidia Geforce 8800GT in high resolution.

Power consumption: 2 x 6 pins.

Outs: two DL-DVI.

Compatibility: DirectX 10.1, OpenGL 3.3. macOS 10.5.7 - 10.11.x.

Other: 32 bit EFI only, occupies 2 slots. There is 4890 version with higher frequencies. There is "mac edition" of cards.

Unflashed (PC version): doesn't work; can be flashed.

 

ATI Radeon HD 5770 1 GB

Performance: 58% RPI.

Power consumption: 6 pins.

Outs: DL-DVI + two mDP.

Other: occupies 2 slots. There is "mac edition" of cards.

Unflashed (PC version): doesn't work; can be flashed.

 

AMD Radeon RX 460 4GB & 2GB

Performance: 68% RPI.

Power consumption: from PCIE slot only.

Outs: DL-DVI-D + DP + HDMI (analog output is not possible with passive adapters).

Other: reference model occupies 2 slots. There was no "original" mac version card. There are a lot of different variants of the card: different frequencies, amount of memory, cooling system, power requirements (there are cards with 6 pins connector).

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen. The card can be flashed with RX 560 firmware to support Metal 2 - just do not cross-flash 2GB and 4GB versions.

 

ATI Radeon HD 5870 1 GB

Performance: 69% RPI. The chip's characteristics look like to have 2x power of HD 5770, but in ordinary use is only ~ 20% faster.

Power consumption: 2 x 6 pins.

Outs: DL-DVI + two mDP.

Other: occupies 2 slots. There is "mac edition" of cards.

Unflashed (PC version): doesn't work; can be flashed.

 

ATI Radeon HD 6870 1 GB

Performance: 72% RPI.

Power consumption: 2 x 6 pins.

Outs: two DL-DVI + two mDP + HDMI.

Other: occupies 2 slots. There is no "mac edition" of the card.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen; can be flashed with some issues (Boot Screen only on one DL-DVI).

Unflashed (PC version): additional information is needed.

 

Nvidia Quadro 4000 2 GB

Performance: 71% RPI. Has PRO positioning.

Power consumption: 6 pins.

Outs: DL-DVI + two mDP.

Other: occupies 1 slot. There is "mac edition" of cards.

Unflashed (PC version): additional information is needed.

 

AMD Radeon RX 560 4GB & 2GB

Performance: 71% RPI. Supports Metal 2 (Mojave).

Power consumption: from PCIE slot only.

Outs: as usual has DL-DVI + DP + HDMI.

Compatibility: DirectX 12.0, OpenGL 4.6, Metal 2.

Other: occupies 2 slots, no Boot Screen. There are much models with different frequencies. That card is recommended by Apple for Mojave (MSI Gaming Radeon RX 560 128-бит 4 ГБ GDRR5).

Unflashed (PC version): works out of the box (version with 128 bit 4 Gb memory).

 

Radeon HD 7850 / 7870 / 270 / 270x

Performance: 72% RPI (61%-82% for different versions). Supports Metal 2 (Mojave).

Power consumption: 2 x 6 pins.

Outs: as usual two DL-DVI + DP + HDMI.

Other: occupies 2 slots. There are o lot versions of these card, the differences are in cooling system, frequencies. There is no "mac edition" of the card.

Unflashed (PC version): additional information is needed. Can be flashed using HD 7950 ROM, but loose HDMI support. Several cards can't work in Mojave (black screen).

 

Nvidia Quadro K4200 4 GB

Performance: 73% RPI. Has PRO positioning. Supports Metal 2 (Mojave).

Power consumption: 6 pins.

Outs: DL-DVI + two DP.

Other: occupies 1 slot. There is no "mac edition" of the card.

Unflashed (PC version): works out of the box without the BootScreen.

 

Nvidia Quadro K5000 4 GB

Performance: 75% RPI. Has PRO positioning. Supports Metal 2 (Mojave).

Power consumption: 6 pins.

Outs: two DL-DVI + two DP.

Other: occupies 2 slots. There is "mac edition" of cards.

Unflashed (PC version): additional information is needed.

 

ATI Radeon HD 7950 3 GB

Performance: 86% RPI. Supports Metal 2 (Mojave).

Power consumption: 2 x 6 pins.

Outs: DL-DVI + two mDP + HDMI.

Other: occupies 2 slots. There is "mac edition" of cards with DUAL BIOS (mac / PC).

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen, can be flashed.

 

Nvidia GeForce GTX 680 2 GB

Performance: 91% RPI. A very good card for power / price / performance ratio. Supports Metal 2 (Mojave).

OS Compatibility: 10.8.3+ (multiple resolutions in 10.7.5 and later, single resolution in 10.6.8 and 10.5.8)

Power consumption: 2 x 6 pins.

Outs: original card has two DL-DVI (one may be DL-DVI-I and the other DL-DVI-D) + DP + HDMI (DP can do 4K 60Hz, others can do 4K 30Hz).

Other: as usual occupies 2 slots, but there are models that occupy 2+ slots. There is "Mac Edition" of cards. There are card with different cooling system.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen, can be flashed.

Notes: #546

 

Nvidia GeForce GTX 680 4 GB

Performance: 95% RPI. A bit faster than GTX 680 2 GB due to higher frequencies and more memory. Support Metal 2 (Mojave).

OS Compatibility: 10.8.3+

Power consumption: 2 x 6 pins or 6 pins + 8 pins.

Outs: original card has two DL-DVI + DP + HDMI

Other: as usual occupies 2 slots, but there are models that occupy 2+ slots. There are card with different cooling system.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen, can be flashed.

 

AMD Radeon HD 7970 / R9 280X 3 GB

Performance: 100% RPI. A very good card for power / price / performance ratio. ~ 10% faster than GTX 680 2 Gb, has more memory. Supports Metal 2 (Mojave).

Power consumption: 6 pins + 8 pins. Additional power is recommended, as minimum - from SATA port. Possible scheme: 6 pins -> 8 pins and 6 pins + SATA -> 8 pins via dual 6 pins to 8 pins adapter).

Outs: as usual card has DL-DVI + two mDP + HDMI.

Compatibility: DirectX 12.0, OpenGL 4.6, Metal 2.

Other: as usual occupies 2 slots. There are Gigabyte and Sapphire versions that have two slots brackets but don't block the nearest PCIE slot. There are cards with dual BIOS (mac / PC). There are cards with different cooling system. There is an overclocked version AMD Radeon HD 7970 GHZ which is ~ 7% faster.

Unflashed (PC version): additional information is needed, can be flashed.

 

Nvidia GeForce GTX 970 4 GB

Performance: 104% RPI.

Metal Compatibility: Supported, feature set macOS GPUFamily1 v4.

OS Compatibility: 10.10.5 - 10.13.6

Power consumption: 6 pins + 6 pins.

Outs: Dual Link DVI-I, HDMI 2.0, 3x DisplayPort 1.2.

Other: can be flashed only by MVC, occupies 2 slots (standard). There was no "original" mac version card.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen; can be flashed only by MVC.

 

Nvidia GeForce GTX 780 3 GB / 6GB

Performance: 110% RPI. Supports Metal 2 (Mojave).

Metal Compatibility: Supported, feature set macOS GPUFamily1 v4.

OS Compatibility: 10.8.3+ for the 3GB and 10.9.5+ for the 6GB version.

Power consumption: 6 pins + 8 pins.

Outs: DVI-I + DVI-D + DP + HDMI

Other: can be flashed only by MVC, occupies 2 slots (standard). There was no "original" mac version card.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen; can be flashed only by MVC which adds boot screen support from all ports on non-4K monitors. 6 GB version recommended for multi-4K displays.

 

Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan 6GB

Performance: 115% RPI. Has 384 more CUDA cores/shaders than GTX 780.

Metal Compatibility: Supported, feature set macOS GPUFamily1 v4

OS Compatibility: 10.9.5+

Power consumption: 6 pins + 8 pins.

Outs: DVI-I + DVI-D + DP + HDMI.

Other: occupies 2 slots (standard). There was no "original" mac version card.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen; can be flashed only by MVC (NOT X editions).

 

AMD Radeon RX 480 8GB

Performance: 115% RPI.

Power consumption: 6 pins or 8 pins.

Outs: three DP + HDMI (no DVI, analog output is not possible with passive adapters).

Other: reference model occupies 2 slots. There was no "original" mac version card. There are a lot of different variants of the card: different frequencies, amount of memory, cooling system, power connectors.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen. The card can be flashed with RX 580 firmware to support Metal 2.

 

Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan Black 6GB

Performance: 117% RPI. Has 576 more CUDA cores/shaders and faster memory than GTX 780.

Metal Compatibility: Supported, feature set macOS GPUFamily1 v4

OS Compatibility: 10.9.5+

Power consumption: 6 pins + 8 pins.

Outs: DVI-I + DVI-D + DP + HDMI.

Other: occupies 2 slots (standard). There was no "original" mac version card.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen; can be flashed only by MVC (NOT X editions).

 

Nvidia GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3 GB

Performance: 120% RPI. Supports Metal 2 (Mojave).

Metal Compatibility: Supported, feature set macOS GPUFamily1 v4.

OS Compatibility: 10.8.3+.

Power consumption: 6 pins + 8 pins.

Outs: DVI-I + DVI-D + DP + HDMI

Other: occupies 2 slots (standard). There was no "original" mac version card.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen; can be flashed only by MVC.

 

AMD Radeon RX 580 8 GB

Performance: 120% RPI. ~ 20% faster than HD 7970, but has much more memory. Supports Metal 2 (Mojave).

Power consumption: 8 pins or 8 pins + 6 pins. Most cards does't work if mac 6 pins cable is plugged in 8 pins socket, the converter 6 pins - 8 pins is needed. Additional power is recommended, as minimum - from SATA port.

Outs: as usual has DL-DVI + two DP + two HDMI.

Compatibility: DirectX 12.0, OpenGL 4.6, Metal 2.

Other: occupies 2 slots, no Boot Screen. There are much models with different frequencies. That card is recommended by Apple for Mojave (SAPPHIRE Radeon PULSE RX 580 8 ГБ GDDR5).

Unflashed (PC version): works out of the box. Can be flashed by MVC.

 

AMD Radeon RX 590 8 GB

Performance: 130% RPI. Supports Metal 2 (Mojave).

Power consumption: 8 pins or 8 pins + 6 pins. Most cards does't work if mac 6 pins cable is plugged in 8 pins socket, the converter 6 pins - 8 pins is needed. Additional power is recommended, as minimum - from SATA port.

Outs: as usual has DL-DVI + two DP + two HDMI.

Compatibility: DirectX 12.0, OpenGL 4.6, Metal 2.

Other: occupies 2 slots, no Boot Screen. There are much models with different frequencies. macOS fully supports the card from 10.14.6.

Unflashed (PC version): works out of the box.

 

Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 4 GB

Performance: 120% RPI. Additional information is needed.

OS Compatibility: 10.10.5 - 10.13.6

Power consumption: 2 x 6 pins.

Outs: as usual has DL-DVI + three DP + HDMI.

Other: occupies 2 slots. There was no "original" mac version card. macOS 10.5 - 10.13.

 

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Founders Edition (FE)

Performance: 200% RPI.

Power consumption: 8 pins.

Outs: 3 x DP, HDMI, DL-DVI.

Compatibility: DirectX 12.0, OpenGL 4.6, Metal GPUFamily1v4. macOS 10.12.x - 10.13.6.

Other: occupies 2 slots, no Boot Screen. NVIDIA chipset - Pascal. NVIDIA CUDA cores - 1920.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen; can be flashed only by MVC.

 

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB Founders Edition (FE)

Performance: 225% RPI.

Power consumption: 8 pins.

Outs: 3 x DP, HDMI, DL-DVI.

Compatibility: DirectX 12.0, OpenGL 4.6, Metal GPUFamily1v4. macOS 10.12.x - 10.13.6.

Other: occupies 2 slots, no Boot Screen. NVIDIA chipset - Pascal. NVIDIA CUDA cores - 2432.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen; can be flashed only by MVC.

 

AMD Radeon VEGA 56 8 GB

Performance: 225% RPI. Supports Metal 2 (Mojave).

Power consumption: 8 pins + 8 pins. Additional power is required (PIXLAS mod or, for some card or frequencies, from SATA port).

Outs: as usual has three DP + HDMI (no DVI, analog output is not possible with passive adapters).

Compatibility: DirectX 12.0, OpenGL 4.6, Metal 2.

Other: occupies 2 slots, no Boot Screen. Many models have problem with fan speed - flashing is needed.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen.

 

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Founders Edition (FE)

Performance: 250% RPI.

Power consumption: 8 pins (dual mac 6 pins to 8 pins adapter is required).

Outs: 3 x DP, HDMI, DL-DVI.

Compatibility: DirectX 12.0, OpenGL 4.6, Metal GPUFamily1v4. macOS 10.12.x - 10.13.6.

Other: occupies 2 slots, no Boot Screen. NVIDIA chipset - Pascal. NVIDIA CUDA cores - 2560. User guide.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen; can be flashed only by MVC.

 

AMD Radeon VEGA 64 8 GB

Performance: 260% RPI. Supports Metal 2 (Mojave).

Power consumption: 8 pins + 8 pins. Additional power is required (PIXLAS mod; dual mac 6 pins to 8 pins adapter).

Outs: as usual has three DP + HDMI (no DVI, analog output is not possible with passive adapters).

Compatibility: DirectX 12.0, OpenGL 4.6, Metal 2.

Other: occupies 2 slots, no Boot Screen. Many models have problem with fan speed - flashing is needed. There is a model with Liquid Cooling, a model with higher frequencies and 16 Gb.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen.

 

AMD Radeon VII 16 GB

Performance: 290% RPI. Supports Metal 2 (Mojave).

Power consumption: 8 pins + 8 pins. Additional power is required (PIXLAS mod; dual mac 6 pins to 8 pins adapter).

Outs: three DP + HDMI (no DVI, analog output is not possible with passive adapters).

Compatibility: DirectX 12.0, OpenGL 4.6, Metal 2. macOS 10.14.5+.

Other: occupies 2 slots, no Boot Screen.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen.

 

Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Founders Edition (FE)

Performance: 300% RPI.

Power consumption: 8 pins + 6 pins. Additional power is recommended, as minimum - from SATA port. Possible scheme: 6 pins -> 8 pins and 6 pins + SATA -> 8 pins via dual 6 pins to 8 pins adapter).

Outs: 3 x DP, HDMI.

Compatibility: DirectX 12.0, OpenGL 4.6, Metal GPUFamily1v4. macOS 10.12.x - 10.13.6.

Other: occupies 2 slots, no Boot Screen. NVIDIA chipset - Pascal. NVIDIA CUDA cores - 3584.

Unflashed (PC version): works without Boot Screen; can be flashed only by MVC.

[gatto]

bros720 grazie mille 👍 

 

giusto quello che cercavo

 

Additional power is required .... significa che devo cambiare alimentatore ? 

io ho solo sostituito processori con 2 x 3,46 e ram 128 gb + ssd crucial su pcie + 5 hdd meccanici 3,5"

 

non sò in che maniera posso verificare quanta % di alimentazione ho ancora a disposizione per la futura gpu

Modificato 16 Ottobre 2021 da gatto

[@Maurizio]

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